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China's "Weaponized" Open Source AI and US Tech Collapse...

Channel: Wes RothPublished: March 29th, 2025AI Score: 98
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China is making significant strides in AI and robotics, particularly by open-sourcing a lot of its cutting-edge technology. This move is seen by some as a strategic play to undermine the profitability of Western, especially US, tech companies by offering high-quality alternatives for free or very cheaply, while China focuses on selling the hardware powered by this AI. This potentially disrupts the traditional model where companies make money primarily from proprietary AI software.

Here are the key points and technical details discussed:

  • China is doing really well in robotics and AI, and a lot of their leading work is being open-sourced. This means their research and code are available for everyone to use for free, or hosted versions are much cheaper than Western options.
  • Balaji, a notable figure in tech, believes China's goal is to take the profit out of AI software globally by offering free open source alternatives. He compares it to how China impacted US manufacturing – copying, optimizing, scaling, and then undercutting with low prices.
  • When China's DeepSeek models were released, they temporarily wiped about $1 trillion off global tech market caps, spooking investors in companies like NVIDIA and others.
  • China's main strength is exporting physical goods (atoms), not software (bits), which is where the US currently leads in AI (neural nets, etc.).
  • China is skilled at exporting at massive scale to bankrupt foreign competitors, seen historically with manufacturing and potentially now with cars vs. Germany/Japan.
  • China sees AI leadership as a matter of national pride and achievable after models like DeepSeek showed strong performance.
  • DeepSeek went viral within China, rapidly integrated by local officials and companies, shared on platforms like WeChat, which is huge but less known in the US.
  • DeepSeek's founder even met with top Chinese leaders, implying significant state support for their AI efforts, likely similar to or more than US state support.
  • The big strategic point is that future global AI infrastructure could be built on US, open source, or Chinese foundational tech. If China's open source tech becomes dominant, the world builds on that.
  • US frontier labs (Google, OpenAI, Anthropic) will struggle to make money if free/cheap open source alternatives exist, especially if they are good.
  • Competing with open source is hard, not just on price, but because you can run it locally, fine-tune it for specific needs, and remove restrictions like censorship (DeepSeek initially had pro-China censorship, but others quickly rebuilt it to remove that).
  • If China undermines US tech software, they'll make money by selling inexpensive AI-enabled hardware like smart homes, self-driving cars, drones, and robot dogs.
  • I agree with Balaji's analysis that this is China trying to do to AI what they've done before – study, copy, optimize, and then disrupt with low prices and scale. It's hard for companies with high fixed costs (training state-of-the-art models) to compete when great open source models are free.
  • It's surprising that China, known for the Great Firewall, is pushing open source, but it fits their strategy of doing whatever it takes to win, even copying Western values like open source.
  • My reluctant conclusion is that China is improving in software faster than the West is in hardware.
  • The recent DeepSeek V3 update significantly boosted its reasoning performance, front-end development skills, and tool use, bringing it very close to or even surpassing GPT-4.5 on some benchmarks. While benchmarks aren't everything, others testing it online report impressive results.
  • Jarvis VLA is another interesting open source breakthrough from China – a vision language action model that excels at playing Minecraft. It uses the open source Quen 2 model and significantly outperforms other approaches on various in-game tasks like mining, killing entities, and crafting.
  • The Jarvis VLA team found a novel training approach that starts with text-based knowledge, then visual description, then visual grounding, before adding trajectory gameplay data. This non-trajectory training led to a 40% improvement by helping the model generalize and understand the why behind actions, not just mimic the how. They open-sourced their code and data.
  • Unitree Robotics also open-sources some of their work, like the Unitree RL gym for training their impressive agile robots. They are providing tools for developers to build on their platform.
  • OpenAI is forecasting massive revenue growth (100x by 2029), partly from expensive AI agents ($2k-$20k/month). This revenue would benefit companies like NVIDIA.
  • However, this ambition faces the challenge of open source alternatives. Even if open source models are only 80-90% as good, their low cost makes it hard to justify the high prices of proprietary models for many use cases.
  • The Google "We Have No Moat" memo from May 2023 is very relevant. A Google researcher argued that while focused on OpenAI, they were missing that open source was "lapping" them. Open source models were becoming faster, more customizable, private, and capable, quickly closing the quality gap.
  • The memo argued Google had "no secret sauce" and that the value of owning the ecosystem (like Meta did by effectively getting free labor from the world improving their leaked models) was paramount.
  • Google succeeded with Chrome and Android by owning the platform. The memo suggested Google should lead the open source community rather than trying to control models. You can't drive innovation and control it.
  • Applying this to the US vs. China, if the US keeps models proprietary while China open sources everything, global developers, talent, users, and innovation will flock to the Chinese open source ecosystem. This creates a powerful snowball effect that's hard to stop.
  • The US has tough choices: ban Chinese models (risking the rest of the world adopting them) or focus on building its own strong open source ecosystem to attract global talent and innovation.
  • It's concerning that this competition could lead to military applications and next-generation warfare involving AI, drones, and robots.
  • I'm very excited about open source in general, especially for things like robotics where it can empower many developers. But the potential for aggressive use by nations is worrying.